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JD
JD (@guest_1940924)
October 30, 2024 08:53

Rate Change Deadline: To receive the current 4.28% rate for I Bonds in TreasuryDirect, you must request your purchase by 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on Wednesday, October 30.

Also, reminder that limits on delivering gift bonds have apparently been lifted. The 1.3% fixed rate hasn’t been seen for almost 20 years and is likely to go down tomorrow, so this would be a good time to load up.
 Chuck

JD
JD (@guest_1941018)
October 30, 2024 12:09

Yup, saw that, thanks…I was thinking it was worth mentioning again on the main page since today is the deadline…up to you and  William Charles though

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1933140)
October 16, 2024 08:44

Capt Obvious here, but: even with the lower interest rate, I Bonds still have the benefit of tax deferral, i.e., the interest isn’t taxable until withdrawal.

robertw
robertw (@guest_1934120)
October 18, 2024 08:53

Considering other rates out there now, I dont think taking 3.10 makes much sense including any tax considerations. 10 Yr T bills pay 4% also tax deferred. 2 yr T bill also at 4%. Those have no state income taxes as well.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1934340)
October 18, 2024 16:20

Interest on 10-year and 2-year Treasury notes* is taxable as earned/paid(every 6 months), NOT deferred until maturity, unlike Treasury bills and I Bonds.

*Treasury notes are issued w/ maturities of 2, 3, 5, 7 and 10 years. Treasury bills are issued with maturities 4 wks to 52 wks.

KE
KE (@guest_1941976)
October 31, 2024 16:59

So, earning 1-2% more on even $100k ($1-$2k annually) is worth e.g. going over the EITC cliff and potentially losing out on $7k+ in tax credits? There are several such tax cliffs. These also don’t have state income tax, and can be used to pay for e.g. college tuition to avoid taxes completely.

icemule1
icemule1 (@guest_1933066)
October 16, 2024 02:27

Pretty much useless now with HYSA’s hovering around 4.5%+

Eric
Eric (@guest_1933832)
October 17, 2024 15:02

Right but you are assuming HYSA will stay above 4.5% come Nov and Dec. If interest rate cuts are introduced in Nov and Dec its not that much higher. Banks are not charitable and HYSAs rates will crater fast in 2025.

nobanklove
nobanklove (@guest_1933895)
October 17, 2024 18:00

I’ve been buying t-bills instead through my brokerage. No need to touch Treasury Direct, and I can set up autoroll so I don’t have to think about it.

I-bonds are nice in that they’re tax deferred, but until 5 years, you _still_ have to pay back part of the interest. T-bill rates _could_ drop, but even then, I’d still want to be able to access the funds quickly for things like bank bonuses if there’s a particularly good deal.

I did own I-bonds in the past, but with inflation dropping, I’m less worried about an inflation hedge and more interested in seeing if I can beat inflation with other guaranteed returns.

jcb
jcb (@guest_1944287)
November 4, 2024 13:39

What’s your rationale for T bills over just a good savings/money market fund?

JD
JD (@guest_1944290)
November 4, 2024 13:48

Good question since I-bonds were guaranteed to beat inflation by 1.3%…(now only 1.2%)

jcb
jcb (@guest_1944295)
November 4, 2024 13:52
  JD

I guess no state tax on the interest can make the math work out?

JD
JD (@guest_1944300)
November 4, 2024 13:58

What do you mean? State tax exemption applies to t-bills and i-bonds equally…
Fed rate is about to drop so good luck to him trying to find better guaranteed rates, lmao

robertw
robertw (@guest_1934121)
October 18, 2024 08:53

If so go for Tbills. You can lock down 4% for 2-10 yrs roughly. 3.10% is too low.

Private
Private (@guest_1934777)
October 19, 2024 18:13

Buy I-Bonds in October and get 4.28% for 6-months. The most important part of this is to lock in the 1.30% fixed rate before it resets likely lower.

In May your rate will reset to 3.20% (1.30% fixed + 1.90% composite). By the time this happens in May 2025 rates on HYSAs and T-Bills will have come down following the future rate cuts that the Fed is anticipated to make.

Jeff
Jeff (@guest_1939199)
October 27, 2024 08:47

Buy why do this when you can get 4% on a 52 week t-bill right now?

Road_Dog
Road_Dog (@guest_1940778)
October 30, 2024 00:20

More of a long term play. Historically the 1.3% fixed rate is pretty good. We all remember when HYSAs were only paying .5%

Private
Private (@guest_1942054)
October 31, 2024 19:51

Why ask such an obtuse question? In the last 3-years did we not all just live through the worst inflation in the last 40-years? Why subject yourself to interest rate risk 52-weeks from now?

Interest paid on I Bonds are reinvested in the I Bond lot on the original terms of the investment, effectively expanding your I Bond space at that fixed rate. A fixed rate of 1.30% is EXTREMELY attractive; the last time we saw better than that from I-Bonds was in 2007. The I-Bonds purchased in October are guaranteed to earn 1.30% plus the semi-annual inflation adjustment for 30-years. Short term interest rates are heading down from here, who knows where they will settle.

I-Bonds will not make you rich, but in my portfolio they play the role of keeping me rich. I’ve built a small war chest of I-Bonds large enough to payoff my mortgage if I ever needed to. When we hit another hard recession and I’m in retirement I could sell I-Bonds to fund my lifestyle for upwards of a couple of years instead of having to sell depressed equities. Their interest can be tax exempt if used to pay higher education expenses and you’re below income phaseout limits; I am not. I can control when I pay taxes instead of paying tax annually on earned interest which becomes extremely important in retirement. I am guaranteed to earn a positive real return (net of inflation) which is something that nominal treasuries cannot do.

Rick
Rick (@guest_1942151)
October 31, 2024 22:47

I-bonds with 0% fixed rate are somewhat useless now that I can agree with.

The ones with 1.2%/1.3% fixed rate you should always hold.

Mario
Mario (@guest_1932896)
October 15, 2024 19:33

Just leave it in Vanguard VMFXX default settlement fund. Paying 4.9% rolling 7 days and it is 90-100% held in treasuries. Same for fidelity, etc.

Alex
Alex (@guest_1932993)
October 15, 2024 22:06

I buy after market treasuries at the same rate, one to six month maturity, depending on the market. Same but treasuries aren’t subject to state taxes.

Volt
Volt (@guest_1933215)
October 16, 2024 11:49

You can also use VUSXX, which isn’t subjected to state tax

scott
scott (@guest_1933132)
October 16, 2024 08:36

Fidelity is now 4.5%

5150d
5150d (@guest_1933199)
October 16, 2024 11:16

VUSXX

John
John (@guest_1932855)
October 15, 2024 18:38

Basically buy this year’s I-Bonds and new years gift box now before November to get best rates. Right?

Dugroz Reports
Dugroz Reports (@guest_1933998)
October 17, 2024 23:08

Gift box?

JD
JD (@guest_1934041)
October 18, 2024 00:40
Dugroz Reports
Dugroz Reports (@guest_1934172)
October 18, 2024 11:19
  JD

Huh. Good info!

sam
sam (@guest_1932843)
October 15, 2024 18:23

the glory days of ibonds are over for now

Matt
Matt (@guest_1932865)
October 15, 2024 18:47

HARRIS!!!!!!! Oh wait, we’re supposed to hate inflation, right?

Sam
Sam (@guest_1932962)
October 15, 2024 21:09

Trump!

Jack
Jack (@guest_1933642)
October 17, 2024 09:47

BUSH!!!

Sean Paul
Sean Paul (@guest_1933982)
October 17, 2024 22:22

Jeb!

Frogger
Frogger (@guest_1932801)
October 15, 2024 17:04

6 month treasury bonds pay 4.5 percent so not sure why you would buy these

John
John (@guest_1932814)
October 15, 2024 17:21

If you buy before end-of-month, these will pay 1.3% even when inflation is at 0% and HYSAs are at 0%. They’re also tax-deferred until redemption. Could be a good place for part of your emergency fund.

KE
KE (@guest_1932906)
October 15, 2024 19:52

All of the above, not to mention you can cash them out any time after a year (3 month interest penalty for cash out < 5 years will be no barrier when interest rates are low). For some of us, there are major tax cliffs we’re trying to avoid, so certain investments (such as I-Bonds, municipal bonds, etc.) are a lot more attractive.

Dylan
Dylan (@guest_1933119)
October 16, 2024 07:55

By buying these, you’re essentially making a bet that interest rates will go down in the future and that you will be able to receive a higher future rate than you can get in a savings account because you will always get that 1.3%. HYSAs and T-bills look good for now but if the fed drops rates those old I-bonds will start performing better relative to potential future offerings.

Personally I keep my emergency fund in I-bonds.

yvrite
yvrite (@guest_1933253)
October 16, 2024 13:03

People’s memories are short. For almost the whole 2010s HYSAs paid essentially no interest. You’d be happy to have 1.3% then–not to live on, but for your emergency fund? Sure.

robertw
robertw (@guest_1934127)
October 18, 2024 09:08

If you can ladder out T bills, which you can, why go for 3.10% when you can get 4% now all the way 10 yrs out? They also could have a bit more liquidity as far as cashing out for that emergency? You mgiht as well play the new account game if you were going to take 1% on money.

AD
AD (@guest_1935200)
October 20, 2024 21:39

Redemption flexibility for tax purposes.

robertw
robertw (@guest_1934124)
October 18, 2024 08:58

2-10 Yr treasuries are also roughly 4%. So I wonder about these.

Jeremy
Jeremy (@guest_1932741)
October 15, 2024 15:42

I’m not sure I’d be investing in I-bonds at the current rate unless I was high income and had upcoming educational expenses.

007
007 (@guest_1932753)
October 15, 2024 15:54

Not too high income where they can no longer be used for educational expenses.
Main advantage of I bonds is tax deferral for 30 years esp if one plans to be in a lower income bracket (retired) in 30 years

Jeremy
Jeremy (@guest_1932785)
October 15, 2024 16:45

I suppose, but at current rates, you’d likely be better off with a treasury ladder.

007
007 (@guest_1932791)
October 15, 2024 16:54

Maybe. I bonds do allow to redeem full value after five years and of course hedge against deflation as well as inflation (although stocks are a better inflation hedge over 30 year timeframe).

robertw
robertw (@guest_1934128)
October 18, 2024 09:09

Thats what I think. Nobody has any idea where rates are going. The trend is to think lower, but thats a guessing game. So laddering makes sense.

yvrite
yvrite (@guest_1932788)
October 15, 2024 16:48

HYSAs, especially the “normal” ones, are most likely going to see their rates crater as fast as ever they can get away with it. (Remember the reason the ~9% I-bonds were so relatively great is that the HYSAs dragged their feet ridiculously on adjusting those rates: in an efficient world the two rates would not quite converge, but would be close.) By the end of six months, then, I-bonds will probably be looking solidly respectable *as an asset for the back half of your emergency savings or similar*, or for five-year savings projects like down payments, especially with a relatively high fixed component. Putting aside the fluke 2021-22 period, which was more about inefficiency in the HYSA/CD market than about bad pricing by the feds, they’re not meant for return-chasers, but (esp. with the tax deferral and state tax exemption) they have their place.

Novacat05
Novacat05 (@guest_1933139)
October 16, 2024 08:44

My favorite is the emails I’ve gotten lately with the subject “An update on your soandso savings rate”, they state the new rate but then love to throw in there oh but don’t worry it’s till 8x the average rate so it’s ok you can feel good we are paying you less interest than we were last month.

yvrite
yvrite (@guest_1933249)
October 16, 2024 13:01

Yep, literally just got one five minutes ago!