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Varg
Varg (@guest_2093038)
July 6, 2025 08:36

I’ve always stayed away from most fintech. Never did trust this smoke and mirrors, probably never will.

A-rom
A-rom (@guest_2038360)
April 4, 2025 20:10

I lost money on synapse trouble. I’m staying away from Fintechs till govt put a regulation on these. Better safe than sorry. We need to mention these fintechs vs banks in the posts related to promotions.

Retired
Retired (@guest_2035799)
April 1, 2025 13:58

I was thinking about doing the Raisin promotion.
But I think it’s too risky, and it’s not even a US based entity.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1963887)
December 4, 2024 12:26

As maybe others have noted: The whole Synapse bankruptcy debacle was independent of the safety & soundness of the partner banks, i.e., FDIC insurance was never a real issue. The problem lay in the poor recordkeeping, mainly by Synapse as middleware provider, whereby they “lost track” (to be polite) of individual account balances and transactions.

Maybe oversimplifying, but the banks knew they owed fintech customers $XXX million in the aggregate (held in massive FBO accounts), but didn’t have reliable enough individualized balances/records to support immediate payouts.

PS. In the wake of all this, the FDIC has proposed rules putting greater responsibility on banks for detailed records, reconciliations, etc.

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever (@guest_1964059)
December 4, 2024 17:45

So… the setup was this so-called fintech, then another layer, then the bank. Basically confirms my impression that most fintechs are just smoke and mirrors to inflate the revenue and then somehow get the money by selling the never profitable fintechs to bigger institutions, or just waste the venture capital funding.

Here, the money went “missing”, and nobody seems to care. Trying to sue them as an individual or even as a group will be pretty onerous for the wronged customers. In short, I think even internet only real banks are not exactly safe, while these fintechs are good only for getting an occasional bonus out of them without putting more than a couple of thousands there, and only for a few months at most.

Also, the proposed changes by FDIC for yet more regulations and compliance departments will be paid for by the bank customers, i.e. by you and me. I am not exactly jumping up and down with joy.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1964722)
December 5, 2024 15:14

I think you’re maybe painting with too broad a brush. There are plenty of “internet only” banks with good customer service, product offerings, etc. While I think more rigorous recordkeeping is needed & desirable, who “pays for it” — customers vs shareholders — and whether doing business with fintechs is ultimately profitable for the banks will vary case by case.

Just my opinion.

Naddi
Naddi (@guest_1964150)
December 4, 2024 19:46

The additional burden on banks will probably mean banks won’t want to partner with fintechs anymore. This could spell the end for many fintechs. Frankly the industry deserves it. It couldn’t police itself and with each failure, garnered more bad press. Who would trust them now after the Nth fintech has failed?

Prad
Prad (@guest_1963784)
December 4, 2024 07:57

Where does Laurel Road stands?
I know it partners with key bank for FDIC insurance.

Fred
Fred (@guest_1963800)
December 4, 2024 09:00

I believe Laurel Road is a brand of Key Bank, not a partner.

Evilex
Evilex (@guest_1963806)
December 4, 2024 09:14

Fred is correct, i Was about to say this, look at it as having your money with pokemon instead of nintendo, basically the same thing.

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_1964084)
December 4, 2024 18:28

I wasn’t aware that Pokemon was owned by Nintendo (and 2 other firms) until I just read your comment and confirmed it myself. Good analogy, BTW. 😀

Evilex
Evilex (@guest_1964091)
December 4, 2024 18:32

Ahahhaha thanks 😎

JD
JD (@guest_1964361)
December 5, 2024 08:44

Coincidentally, Nintendo started out as a playing card manufacturer back in the 1800s.

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_1965192)
December 6, 2024 04:59
  JD

I was not aware of that either. I wonder if Evilex was.

Evilex
Evilex (@guest_1965271)
December 6, 2024 08:54

Nope i had no idea, but i did know they sell playing cards.

askmrlee
askmrlee (@guest_1964057)
December 4, 2024 17:45

Laurel Road is wholly owned by Key Bank. LR’s ACH routing numbers appear as Key Bank.

Chris
Chris (@guest_1963743)
December 4, 2024 00:57

From Wealthfront’s website: FDIC insurance is not provided until the funds arrive at the program banks. 

Jack
Jack (@guest_1965405)
December 6, 2024 12:35

How does it work with other banks?

BlissfulApathy
BlissfulApathy (@guest_1963723)
December 4, 2024 00:23

What about the funds in Coinbase Futures usd account? Is that insured by any insurance? Anyone? Guys? Folks? Dearest DoC readers?

Jay
Jay (@guest_1963834)
December 4, 2024 10:31

Haha

Carlzjr
Carlzjr (@guest_1963856)
December 4, 2024 11:22

‘saulgoodman, of course it is “ensured”

Kafka
Kafka (@guest_1963651)
December 3, 2024 21:00

I notice Future does not have the FDIC banner but gives you your account and routing numbers at Piermont Bank. Piermont got appropriately scuffed up by regulators in 2022, which shows serious problems, but also shows they actually have third-party oversight. Sort of a “devil you know” situation. Now that they have instant debit funding again, easy to limit the amount you keep there.

Midnight
Midnight (@guest_1963617)
December 3, 2024 20:18

Evolve recently returned my funds from Juno

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_1964085)
December 4, 2024 18:29

You are fortunate if they returned all of your funds. Not all of us were so lucky. ☹

Mike
Mike (@guest_1963599)
December 3, 2024 19:37

I kept 100k at Juno for over 12 months when they were crediting 5%. They seemed legit to me. I count my blessings that they cut the rate to <1% before the fiasco and i instantly took out all my money. i have $140 left there that is i guess untraceable.

I consider myself enlightened now. Good article!

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_1964087)
December 4, 2024 18:29

Evolve should have emailed you about the status of your $140 early last month. Did they do that?

Tonei Glavinic
Tonei Glavinic (@guest_1966751)
December 9, 2024 10:16

Presumably when Mike says “that is I guess untraceable” that means that evolve claims the funds appear on Synapse’s ledger but were not held at Evolve so Mike like so many of us was told to pound sand