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Chris B
Chris B (@guest_2047059)
April 20, 2025 16:36

Patriot Bank MM is now APY 4.255%

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046754)
April 19, 2025 18:08

Did anyone open the Axos One account?

Option 1 requires a daily average balance of $1,500. That means that the account has to be funded with $1,500 on the application day to earn interest for that month.

Customer service claims that I can fund with more on day two and calculate an average until the end of month (25th in their case). However, that would be a monthly average, not a daily average.
Customer service didn’t understand when I tried to explain the difference…..

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_2046756)
April 19, 2025 18:12

I just checked the offer. They use the term “average daily balance”. I think that you are confusing “average daily balance” with “minimum daily balance”. With the former, the rep is correct that you can make up for the difference after the 1st day of having $0.

Pickle Rick🔗
Pickle Rick🔗 (@guest_2046766)
April 19, 2025 18:42

“Monthly average balance” assumes statement periods that follow calendar months. The “average daily balance” is the “average of the end of day balances for the statement period”, but that is overly wordy. Industry practice is just to call this the average daily balance.

Banks don’t calculate a “daily average” as an average of a single day’s balance (as you seem to infer) because transactions post at the end of each day. That type of “daily average”, for any given day, would be the same as its end of day balance, which would then just make the requirement a minimum balance.

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046769)
April 19, 2025 18:50

Pickle Rick🔗 ,
So does that mean that the balance must be $1,500 at the end of each day or that average of the statement period is $1,500/day (like customer service and Eric stated)?

Pickle Rick🔗
Pickle Rick🔗 (@guest_2046777)
April 19, 2025 19:04

The latter.

A required balance of $1.5k at the end of each day is just a minimum balance requirement.

The average daily balance is just the average of end of day balances for the statement period.

midas89
midas89 (@guest_2046453)
April 19, 2025 01:16

OnPath Credit Union has their Elite Money Market Account paying 5.00% APY. $25,000 minimum of new money must be deposited, and $25,000 minimum balance must be maintained to earn the interest. Anyone can join this credit union. (I know this posting is gonna be quite long, but I might as well try to answer in advance possible questions that would otherwise be asked.)

Some possibly important things to consider. You are only permitted 3 free withdrawals per month from the Elite Money Market account. After those 3, they charge $10 per.

OnPath will run your ChexSystems report.

If you open up the Elite Money Market account, there is no direct account number assigned to this account. So, you cannot directly ACH into or out of this account, initiated at your external banks. You are required to open up their regular savings account as well when you sign up. You can ACH to and from this regular savings account via your external banks, thus you’d have to do internal transfers each time utilizing the regular savings account each time. But, you need to read the following if you have an external bank that does not offer the microdeposits option for linking.

You cannot do direct Plaid linking to either the regular savings account or, of course, to the Elite MM account. So, if you have an external account that does not utilize the microdeposits option for linking, you cannot link to Onpath regular savings or Elite MM via Plaid. There is a way to get around this by also opening up an Onpath checking account, which would mean you now have 3 total OnPath accounts. Direct Plaid linking can see the checking account, and once linked, you would be able to ACH in and out to/from Checking, and then do the internal OnPath transfers.

And finally, now that the Onpath Elite MM account has been listed here and elsewhere, it is unlikely the rate will remain 5% for long should they be inundated with new money, just like the Roger 5% rate dropped to 4.65% after they got inundated with new money once news of that account spread online. By the way, Onpath recently had a rate drop from 5.25% down to 5%. Oh, and Neighbors Bank was 4.75% until news about them hit many sites not long ago. They dropped down to 4.60% after being inundated with new money.

They charge $10 to receive wire transfers, but you have to wire directly to either regular savings or to checking. Since Elite MM has no account number, you cannot write to it.

They offer Zelle, but you have to wait 60 days before you can even register for Zelle at OnPath. And once you are able, the limits are tiny.

ACH transfer limits if initiating at OnPath:

Per transaction Internal/External Limit (Outbound): $1,000
Per transaction External/Internal Limit (Inbound): $1,000

Daily Internal/External Limit (Outbound): $2,500
Daily External/Internal Limit (Inbound): $2,500

28 Day Internal/External Limit (Outbound): $5,000
28 Day External/Internal Limit (Inbound): $5,000

BenW
BenW (@guest_2046495)
April 19, 2025 04:12

What is transfer limits between onpath checking account and Elit Money Market account? Suppose there is $250K in EMM account, can I transfer $250K to onpath checking account immediately?

midas89
midas89 (@guest_2046810)
April 19, 2025 20:50

BenW There is no internal transfer limit between the OnPath Credit Union checking account and the Elite Money Market account. Yes, if you have $250K in Elite and initiate an internal transfer to your checking, that money shows up in the checking account immediately. (Keep in mind that the only-3-free-withdrawals-monthly-Elite-policy still applies even if it is an internal transfer between OnPath accounts. Anything over 3 withdrawals from Elite will incur a $10 fee.)

Terp
Terp (@guest_2046560)
April 19, 2025 09:45

Very nice write-up. Thank you midas89.

If I magically owned a bank one day — I might design the HYSA to have similar features to what is described. Those measures have features that could reduce fraud, minimize transaction costs, and minimize ‘hot money.’ And I did actually work in banking operations / commercial lending eons ago.

But as a consumer, with all the banking hoops to jump through, I’d only go there if the rate is superior. And… 5% is superior.

midas89
midas89 (@guest_2046729)
April 19, 2025 17:21

Terp Thank you for the compliment.

By the way, I like that you think big, where you expressed that perhaps magically one day you’ll own a bank. Me personally, I continue to think small, where perhaps magically one day, my piggy bank will be so big, it’ll have tellers. 😀

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046690)
April 19, 2025 15:05

midas89,
Their website (https://www.beonpath.org/spend-save/personal/savings-accounts#money-market) states:
Earn 5.00% APY* on balances over $25,000“,
but in the footnote:

“*APY = Annual Percentage Yield. The 5.00% APY on an Elite Money Market Savings Account applies only to new money with balances of $25,000 or more

It appears that the footnote clarifies that the 5% applies to the whole balance and not only to the balance above $25,000?

When applying, they state again that “FUNDS MUST BE NEW MONEY”. What do they mean by that? Can we transfer into the Savings and then from Savings to the Elite MM? That would not be new money.. Do all future deposit have to be “NEW MONEY”? If we move money from MM to Savings and then back, I guess that would not be new money…?

Do you have an account with them yourself?
Do you know if they are sensitive to the number of ChexSystems inquiries?
Do they allow credit card funding?

P.s. Thanks for posting this info!

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_2046692)
April 19, 2025 15:10

Erik,

I’ll let midas89 answer most of your questions as I do not have that account. However, I will give you some info that I am aware of.

OnPath does pull Chex. AFAIK, they are not Chex-sensitive.

Most importantly, there is a post on DoC about a different OnPath account that you may not be aware of that I use. It is for a 7% APY Checking account on up to $10K in funds. There is also a referral offer ($100 for each party) available for signing up for that account.

Here is the post for that offer: https://www.doctorofcredit.com/onpath-credit-union-kasasa-checking-100-referral-for-each-plus-7-on-up-to-10000/.

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046730)
April 19, 2025 17:21

Eric 🔗,
Is it possible to use a referral link for the 7% Rewards Checking Account and apply for other accounts (e,g. the Elite MM) at the same time? I may get two Chex inquiries otherwise if I apply separately…(?)

Eric 🔗
Eric 🔗 (@guest_2046733)
April 19, 2025 17:35

Erik,

I don’t see why not. You 1st would sign up through someone’s RL referral link. You then could apply for both the 7% Checking account and the 5% account that midas89 mentioned at the same time.

If for some reason the app only lets you open 1 account at a time, you could apply for the 2nd account right after the 1st in 2 separate apps. That way if there are 2 Chex inquiries, there’s a good chance that they would automatically combine a few days later.

midas89
midas89 (@guest_2046735)
April 19, 2025 17:39

Erik I have no idea regarding a referral link for the 7% Rewards Checking Account, but I can offer the following in the unlikely event you’re unable to add the Elite MM account at the same time, which you really should be able to do:

If you are only able to first apply and the get the 7% APY Rewards Checking Account for balances up to $10K, they will pull Chex, as I mentioned in my first posting. Then, once your membership is all set up, right away call in and say you want an Elite MM account. Because they had just run your Chex, and because you’re applying for Elite MM so soon after you got the Checking, the OnPath Credit Union will not run a second Chex on you. (Put your Chex back to frozen of course, after they have run the Chex on you for the Checking.)

midas89
midas89 (@guest_2046704)
April 19, 2025 15:44

Erik You’re welcome. You are correct that the current 5% APY applies to the entire balance as long as there is a minimum $25,000 in the Elite Money Market account.

If you transfer money via ACH or wire into the regular savings account and then transfer that new money into Elite via their Internal Transfer page, that amount would for sure be considered new money. What they mean by new money is any money that was not previously already on deposit at OnPath in any account.

Good question where you asked a hypothetical: Say you transfer money from your established Elite MM (that already has the $25K+ of new money) in the future to your regular savings or checking account if you have one, and then subsequently change your mind and transfer that same money back to Elite MM, will that money earn interest? While I never asked that specific question, I am going to confidently say yes you will earn interest on the money you put back into the Elite MM.

If OnPath turned out to be that extremely strict, I would be so shocked, and it would be unfair. Of course, no one should try to game the system by trying to recirculate money from regular savings to Elite to regular savings and back to Elite to get the Elite account at the $25K minimum level to earn the 5% APY. I’m not saying you would ever do this.

Yes, I have OnPath.

I do not know what ChexSystem score OnPath will reject membership, but I do know I read elsewhere online quite a while ago that someone was rejected due to their ChexSystems. (I do not remember where I saw it.)

Kelly
Kelly (@guest_2046722)
April 19, 2025 16:55

midas89 All of my questions answered in advance, thanks.

Chris B
Chris B (@guest_2047057)
April 20, 2025 16:31

There is a huge probability that they will drop the rate now :/

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046264)
April 18, 2025 18:22

Roger Update:
I talked to the director of operations at Citizens Bank of Edmond. She advised that my “High Risk” label was not due the use of VPN but to the activity on the account. She was not willing to tell me what the “High Risk” activity was. I have no idea. For example, I always had much more money in the account then any outgoing ACH transactions.

She stated that they will not be paying me the accrued interest, which is several hundred dollars. She also stated that it was just a coincidence that the accounts will be closed the day before the interest would have been paid…

I will be filing a complaint with their regulatory agency, the Federal Reserve Board. I may also file a complaint with the CFPB, although they are not able to enforce anything.

Karl
Karl (@guest_2046285)
April 18, 2025 19:30

That sounds suspiciously like SAR behavior. If they file one and they can’t evade your questions they’re required to lie. Not sure how they live with themselves, but I suppose it works like congress – the ethical ones leave.

…it was just a coincidence that the accounts will be closed the day before the interest would have been paid…

Lol. Did she also offer to sell you a bridge?

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046302)
April 18, 2025 20:09

Karl, Oh, was the bridge also a lie!? It was so cheap….

ink_me_please
ink_me_please (@guest_2046452)
April 19, 2025 01:16

“Coincidence”…yeah, not buying that for a second.

Erik
Erik (@guest_2046218)
April 18, 2025 16:04

delete this

Bill
Bill (@guest_2046224)
April 18, 2025 16:12

nope

Terp
Terp (@guest_2046388)
April 18, 2025 22:14

Agreed. Too important to delete.

Alicia
Alicia (@guest_2046033)
April 18, 2025 09:10

Marcus 14 month CD is down to 4.40% APY from 4.50

J.D.
J.D. (@guest_2046076)
April 18, 2025 10:28

Not a good Friday news

Dealgamer
Dealgamer (@guest_2045968)
April 18, 2025 00:30

One more neighbor’s question, anyone know what their external account limit is like?

random
random (@guest_2045876)
April 17, 2025 20:52

Looks like openbank is now open nationwide?

Pickle Rick🔗
Pickle Rick🔗 (@guest_2046464)
April 19, 2025 01:58

I think they opened up nationwide when they started the Verizon partnership.

Terp
Terp (@guest_2046568)
April 19, 2025 09:53

Verizon partnership? Something else for me to Google. Thanks.

Grateful
Grateful (@guest_2045673)
April 17, 2025 15:00

Fidelity – 2.35% cash management account (if left in FDIC sweep) has been at 2.21% APY since at least from 12/31/2024.

Jared
Jared (@guest_2045712)
April 17, 2025 16:05

Since I just praised the Fidelity CMA so much, I feel it’s important to mention that SPAXX *should* be an option instead of the FDIC sweep for any uninvested balance amount, and its 7-day yield as of yesterday is 3.98%. https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/31617H102

SPAXX auto liquidates just like the cash sweep default does, so there should be no reason to not switch over. It literally takes a couple of mouse clicks to do so, and will take effect the following day.

Volt
Volt (@guest_2046090)
April 18, 2025 10:44

If you don’t mind manually buying it every time and you have state tax, you should use FDLXX (https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/31617H300) instead.
It has almost the same yield as SPAXX, and it’s 90+% state-tax exempt.
It also auto-liquidates.

Jared
Jared (@guest_2046091)
April 18, 2025 10:48

I actually buy USFR, which is essentially 100% state tax exempt. I only have SPAXX for a couple of days as a safety net before it is spent.

Volt
Volt (@guest_2046118)
April 18, 2025 11:53

USFR has a higher yield but it doesn’t auto-liquidate. Some trade-offs.
I am too lazy to get USFR

Jared
Jared (@guest_2046137)
April 18, 2025 12:36

FDLXX is a fine choice, as are others. SPAXX was actually 55.09% state-tax exempt for 2024CY and the dividends I earning on it are not significant enough to make too much of a difference, so it’s really just what works for each person, of course.

If I still had all kinds of random fintech accounts where I needed to track the # of debit card transactions, or maintain min balances, or whatever the heck else crap they required, I would do something like you are for sure because time is money. But I dropped all of those after familiarizing myself with the CMA.

For just over a year now, I tally up the total amount of CC bills I need to pay, all which I’ve set-up to be on the same due date, sell the equivalent amount of USFR that’s needed a couple of days prior, which converts into SPAXX, and then all of the bills auto-pay. It’s what works best for me.

I have no idea what I’m going to do once USFR’s performance drops significantly…probably switch over entirely into dividend ETFs, but I don’t see that being required in the near future with the pure chaos that’s going on.

Red
Red (@guest_2046187)
April 18, 2025 15:05

No state tax exemption for SPAXX in states with min. threshold requirements. Many of those are ones with high state taxes.

Red
Red (@guest_2046385)
April 18, 2025 22:02

In a state with a threshold rule (many of the higher tax states) SPAXX may = 0% state tax exempt.

Red
Red (@guest_2046406)
April 18, 2025 23:13

I meant to add that in years past SPAXX has not qualified in many states where the threshold is 50% of assets by value at the end of each quarter. Note, it is not based on percentage of dividends in many of those states, a common misconception

mangorunner 🔗
mangorunner 🔗 (@guest_2046121)
April 18, 2025 12:07

If you are in a state with no state income tax, use SPRXX.
SPRXX 4.71%, SPAXX 4.65% and FDLXX 4.63%, as of this writing.

https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/31617H201

JD
JD (@guest_2046154)
April 18, 2025 13:37

Before anyone gets too excited, those are trailing 12 month returns, not SEC 7-day yields which are in the 3.9-4.0% range.

mangorunner 🔗
mangorunner 🔗 (@guest_2046158)
April 18, 2025 13:57
  JD

Absolutely. Thanks for the correction, JD.

JD
JD (@guest_2046707)
April 19, 2025 16:01

NP…hopefully you weren’t being facetious, but if you feel offended you can blame Eric for strongly suggesting that I “call out” and correct every commenter I come across lest I seem unfair for singling him out. lol

mangorunner 🔗
mangorunner 🔗 (@guest_2046737)
April 19, 2025 17:41
  JD

Genuinely appreciated, my friend.

mangorunner 🔗
mangorunner 🔗 (@guest_2046161)
April 18, 2025 14:00
  JD

7-day yield:
SPRXX 4.03%, SPAXX 3.97% and FDLXX 3.89%, as of this writing.

Red
Red (@guest_2046188)
April 18, 2025 15:09

Have found FZDXX useful on occasion.
Jumbo ($100k min.), “premium class” in Fidelity parlance, money market.
4.15% current 7 day yield.

JD
JD (@guest_2046111)
April 18, 2025 11:35

It’s one of those rare days where markets are closed but banks are not, so…

Push some of funds out your MMF stash to a HYS before noon same-day window, credit posts today???Profit.
YMMV, lol

NBG
NBG (@guest_2045651)
April 17, 2025 14:34

Meridian Trust FCU has 10 month CD special for 5pct APY. They also have a 20.25 pct APY 1 year special for youth ac/(1K max)

https://mymeridiantrust.com/for-you/save-spend/certificates-iras/5-00-apy-certificate-special/